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That is an awesome flag!! I would fly the rubber duck flag with pride

Corey
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Hi all, as new owners who just completed our first 1k miles, I love the under 10k flag! ;). We got from Stockton, CA to Comox BC and then down to Seattle, this summer. Between maintenance and waiting on weather windows, we are very proud to have completed this stretch! Would love a flag! Haha! We’ll continue North, to her new home in Alaska, come spring! Excited to join this community!

Bonnie and Lior

Bonnie Sea 43-005

Also, if anyone would like to follow along on our adventure, we are thebonniesea on Instagram.

Oh Jack, soon you will see how we charge that beloved blender? with booze in the blender soon it will render that magic concoction that makes us go on. i put one of my old single xpat buddies on a tread mill with a gen attached to the batteries, and put a beautiful dancing Filipina at the end of the belt, they run fast to get her but never do, the blender runs full speed hahaha

Soon i will show this and many other tricks only talked about under a palm tree.

cheers

Brian

Everyone is worried about speed and miles. What about us new owners, with kids still in school that cannot travel yet. Don't we get a flag? Can't we be cool kids too? (If you cannot tell this in tongue in cheek, well then look at my proposed flag :)

Great idea on the program, and as someone who doesn't track miles, I'm more than happy to calculate engine hours. That is so much simpler. Thank you for thinking of lazy people like myself who don't log every trip.

Dan and Bethany Moore

Blue Phoenix - 2008 Selene 59-17

I agree that a uniform multiplier is required for the NM flag program. It does create some unusual possible scenarios impacting accurately calculated NM’s, such as waiting for a lock or for fuel or for the tide to turn as Steve describes - no NM’s traveled. And then there are those times when we run at full throttle to make a destination before nightfall or to outrun a storm - lots of NM’s traveled.

Perhaps the most interesting of the alternate scenarios I have heard described concerns Brian Calvert’s report of around 9,000 hours on Further. As Steve accurately noted, not all engine hours are actually spent while underway. I have heard tales about life in the Philippines with Brian. I don’t know if they are true, so I can’t attest to their accuracy. At least one account suggests that a lot of Brian’s hours were accumulated when his batteries were running low and Brian refused to stop running the blender. As Further’s engine ran for hours at anchor and powered all systems through the inverter, Brian was reportedly heard chanting under his breath “you put the lime in the coconut, and drink it all up . . .”

I will have an opportunity to observe Brian in real time beginning in December when we get Shangri-La 6047 to Subic Bay Yacht Club in the Philippines. I will report back to the group concerning Brian’s current behavior and whether he should be considered a “special case” for NM flag purposes ;)

Jack (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

Jack Burgess, Shangri-La 6047

Totally makes sense. Of course when Tracy & I make that same Oxford/solomons trek (already a couple times this summer) we only go at 6.5 and save the fuel. We are not safe harbor purchasers like u long haul truckers

Corey
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WOW! I can hardly recognize Jerry in the Kayak in those rapids, but I sure it must be him. So, Is that a Selene Kayak and are you submitting a claim based on Speed Through Water (STW) as opposed to Speed Over Ground (SOG)? We don’t have many rules in place here, so if it is you and you can submit some form of video evidence of the current you were facing while surfing that wave, I expect you have some real velocity happening there. Maybe a speed record we can invent!
Whatcha got?

Jack

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On the topic of the 'miles traveled' formula, Jack hit the nail on the head: we need to be standardized. I typically cruise between 7 and 8 knots - and more on the high side of that. That said, my engine hours continue to tick up whether I'm going 8kts down the waterway or going 0kts sitting for 2 hours waiting on a lock to open, warming up my engine, docking, or any number of slow-boat maneuvers.

I was able to calculate my mileage against two trips up/down the East Coast and the multiple of 7 knots was almost dead on. We've talked to multiple other cruisers who came to the same conclusion. Will there be outliers on either side? Of course, but our informal survey of several Selene owners as well as consultation with the Board reinforced the 7kt speed as a reasonable approximation.

Some interesting math for those who cruise the Bahamas or Chesapeake: Assume you're going to make a trip from Oxford, MD to Solomons Island, MD, and your cruise speed will be 7.5kts. That's about 32 miles to travel and about 4.3 hours of cruise time. If you left it at that, it would calculate to 7.5kts/engine hour (32mile/4.3hrs= 7.5kts/hr) - if that's all the engine actually ran. However, if you add on just 30 minutes of total time (15 to start-up, unmoor, head out + 15 to enter, get a slip, dock, shutdown), the total time goes up to 4.8hrs. and the average speed drops to 6.6kts per engine hour. On Kallisto we take both much longer - and much shorter - runs, so that's likely why the 7kt. average speed worked out so well for us - and others.

A mean speed of 7kts. won't be exact for anybody actual distance/engine hour, but as Jack alluded, likely close enough for everybody and a cool recognition to bestow on our SOA members.

Steve

Kallisto 5369

WOW! I can hardly recognize Jerry in the Kayak in those rapids, but I am sure it must be him. So, Is that a Selene Kayak and are you submitting a claim based on Speed Through Water (STW) as opposed to Speed Over Ground (SOG)? We don’t have many rules in place here, so if it is you and you can submit some form of video evidence of the current you were facing while surfing that wave, I expect you have some real velocity happening there. Maybe a speed record we can invent!

Whatcha got?

Jack

Jack Burgess, Shangri-La 6047

Howdy all,

Over Niagara Falls in a Selene 53 is probably better than a wooden barrel

Corey
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Here is an example of some of the rapids we get here in the PNW. Mariner beware. don't be early or late, you will be sorry. At times only a 15 minute window to get through, if you get in towards the end of one, what a ride.

Skookumchuck rapids 15 knot out flow.

Jerry Nelson

Richard -

We don’t need to go that far. You fail the initial objection - hearsay. Not challenging anyone’s credibility here; but old eyes see what they want to see. I resemble that remark.

I really want to hear Corey’s story. I think maybe he did do Niagara Falls. I just can’t imagine how Leizu survived the impact.

Jack

Jack Burgess, Shangri-La 6047

Holy Cow Corey -

Did you actually plunge over a waterfall? If you did Niagara Falls without informing me or offering me a slot on your crew list, I am gonna be pissed bro!

Tell me it ain't so.

Jack

Jack Burgess, Shangri-La 6047